Have a go. It costs nowt (rather like most of our recruits)


Monsieur Salut writes: this is really the new instalment of Guess the Score. Enter below the scoreline you expect, hope or fear at Ashton Gate on Saturday. If you are first with the correct result, you will win a prize though you must have a UK delivery address to receive it. Ha’way the Lads and all that but forgive me if there seems very little else worth saying about a game most of us probably have uneasy feelings about while hoping for the best …


Yes, I got angry at the weekend and directed some of my anger at our absent, reluctant owner. Yes, he has plenty to answer for.

One crass comment in his tame, underarm bowling sort of interview with the official club site in November particularly annoyed me. He complained that anything that appeared in the media about him was based on speculation or invention because “I don’t talk to the press”.

Entitled as he is in a free society to adopt such a lofty distance, however accountable he should arguably feel towards the public, he is far too bright not to realise the connection between cause and effect.

If Short won’t be open about matters that happen to be of enormous interest to a loyal but perpetually suffering fan base, he can have no legitimate grievance if reporting falls short of his concept of accuracy.

Of the aborted summer takeover process, Short said: “At that time I was entertaining offers to buy the club and I had hired an adviser to process that. I guess the first thing I should say is that everything that was written in the media about that was wrong, not really remotely resembling the truth other than one thing – there was one group that we did have some advanced discussions with.

“I decided not to do that transaction and I have heard some criticism that because of the depth of emotion that I should be out, that possibly I should have done that. But that comes from people who don’t know anything about the circumstances of that transaction, don’t know anything about the circumstances of the buyer.”

Everything, or nearly everything, written about it was wrong? From his US retreat, did he take steps to ensure the media was as well-informed as possible? Did he tell his chief executive Martin Bain that while he couldn’t bring himself to talk to the wicked reptiles, he should – if only to ensure the alleged misreporting did not happen or was rectified?

My vested interest is that I am a journalist, though my coverage of football is mostly limited to what appears here (my little arrangement with ESPN came to an end last May; Sunderland were relegated and so, consequently, was I). But if I am permitted a j’accuse moment, it would be to declare that Short cannot have it both ways.

More generally, the wretched decisions of recent years have been made on his watch and he must accept that the buck ultimately stops at his door, far from the Stadium of Light or even the UK as that door may currently be. His undoubted business skills do not appear quite so convincing when applied to running a club that should, on his own assessment, at least be stablished in the top half of the Premier League.

I question the wisdom of allowing the club to be so starved of proper resources that it cannot even compete in the Championship, or seem attractive to possible buyers, but he has a right to question the commitment of players who were plying their trade in the Premier League only last season and cannot now look competent a division lower.

That said, I believe the owner when he says he’s a fan, that he is as frustrated as us. So while strongly critical, I do not suggest he bears all the responsibility for our pathetic current state.

Many supporters will feel I am letting him off the hook. In the unlikely event that he reads this, Short might feel even my comments are harsh. Another of his entitlements is that the pages of Salut! Sunderland are open to him should he wish to respond, though perhaps we won’t be holding our breath.

Oh, and this is Guess the Score for Sunderland’s daunting trip to the West Country, where our hosts are enjoying the sort of season we rather hoped might be our experience of being back in th Championship.

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18 Responses to “Bristol City Guess the Score – and are we harsh on Ellis Short?” Subscribe

  1. John Mac February 6, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

    0-2, daren’t predict the scorers, although I think Rodwell’s due a hat-trick

  2. Phil D February 6, 2018 at 1:56 pm #

    Bristol City 2 Sunderland 1

    I can’t see us getting any points.

    • Geoff Bethell February 7, 2018 at 3:24 am #

      Neither can I — but we got one at Wolves. So — 0-0 it is

  3. Bill February 6, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

    1-2 to the lads.

  4. Eric012 February 6, 2018 at 3:03 pm #

    M Salut – did I win the last GTS with my prediction of Ipswich 2 us NIL, ZERO,ZILCH, NADA, NAff ALL? I will now reverse my forecast for BCFC. It’s 3 – 0 to me bonny lads.

    • salutsunderland February 6, 2018 at 3:06 pm #

      You certainly did. Book OK or another mug?

      • Eric012 February 6, 2018 at 4:29 pm #

        Book will keep me entertained I think.

  5. malcolm February 6, 2018 at 3:26 pm #

    Are we being harsh on Ellis Short? Not harsh enough. Are you letting him off the hook? Yes. Is he a fan? No.

    Who knows, other than he, his reasons for buying the club. I once bought a home brew kit and for a time was quite enthusiastic about it. The equipment was consigned to the tip 20 years ago. Does that make me brewer?

    I once had a fish tank full of platies, loaches and gouramis and spent hours in my local aquarium centre looking at potential new additions. I got rid when I couldn’t be arsed to clean the algae off the glass. Did that make me a pisciculturalist? Not really.

    When I was a child I collected stamps but packed it in when I decided philately would get me nowhere.

    I invested quite a bit in those hobbies but gave the stuff away when I lost interest. Had I been a Texan billionaire I might have bought an English football club and walked away when the novelty wore off.

    3-0 Bristol City. Hope I’m wrong but my head says we are in terminal freefall.

  6. Edwward February 6, 2018 at 9:58 pm #

    Seeing as 3-0 to City has gone, I’ll have have to take 4-0 to Bristol City and yet another trouncing. 🙁

  7. CSB February 7, 2018 at 6:50 am #

    Bristol 0 – 1 SAFC…..against all the odds, that’s sanity odds go course

    • CSB February 7, 2018 at 6:54 am #

      By the way at this time you can’t be too harsh on Short??

  8. Paul February 7, 2018 at 11:17 am #

    3-1 to Bristol City, they looked very decent against Man City.
    We struggle against not so decent teams.

  9. Phil D February 7, 2018 at 4:16 pm #

    1-1 as I can’t have my original selection of 2-1 to them, which has been selected by the “Who are you?” interviewee.

  10. wrinkly pete February 7, 2018 at 5:26 pm #

    Hmmm. I think you are being too harsh on Ellis Short and falling into the trap of trying to find ONE thing/person to blame, which we all sometimes do. My view is that we are in this mess due to a number of factors combining, a few of which I will name but there will be others, some of which we, the public,will not be privvy to.
    Here goes:
    Incompetent players
    Not trying players
    An effectively bankrupt club
    Incompetent management
    Timing, eg in the case of losing Sam Allardice.
    I don’t think anyone would blame Short for all those and to say that he is responsible because the buck stops with him is too simplistic.
    Furthermore, I believe he cares deeply about the club.
    It is well known that he is publicity shy but all of the occasions when he HAS gone public he has always been positive. To quote two examples; the tube “encounter” with our fans and the expletive rebuff of Alan Pardew’s handshake. Another reminder; he has put hundreds of millions of pounds into our club and does not expect repayment.

    I can’t be there on Saturday so my 4-3 win to The Lads will happen.

  11. Mike February 7, 2018 at 9:37 pm #

    The Lads to win 3-2,more in hope than expectation,difficult to see where the goals will come from,but you never know.

  12. Mel February 8, 2018 at 9:33 am #

    The eternal optimist says 4-0 to the lads

  13. Phil D February 10, 2018 at 4:05 pm #

    I found a link to watch the match and it is half time at the horror show.

    3-0 down and it could have been more.

    Remarkably, a few could still win the mug: 3-0, 3-1, 4-0. I hope Wrinkly Pete’s 4-3 to the lad comes true.

    Somehow I doubt it.

    • salutsunderland February 13, 2018 at 2:33 pm #

      Close though!

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